Has America, in recent history, ever received a statement from any other nation so full of biblical wisdom & love?

May G-D bless Israel mightily with HIS love & protection, in Christ Jesus name.

hey remnant, bill just posted that update on his front page yesterday… what timing!, eh?

shalom to all,
jen-o

2007: Nine Major FEMA Disasters and Two Major Crises Coincide with U.S. Involvement in the Israel “Peace” Process

For more information: http://www.watch.org/#ca=1000020

In Messiah
Remnant

http://www.watch.org/

an excellent site for the news in light of prophecy – very much like this site with no commenting. i believe the first book was easier reading and a CANNOT PUT DOWN! i hope you enjoy it.

nanc, i had not heard about his first book… i have really only had access to this kind of information (biblical prophecy, etc.) for about a year now… prior to that, i was pretty much on my own and church-hopping in the lukewarm churches… i did not know there was such a wealth of information out here… but i’m catching on quick…
:~)
i will have to get a copy of the book you recommended… :~)

shalom to all,
jen-o

jen-o – excellent book! did you read his first book? “israel, the blessing or the curse”? even better than the first.

aneriz – yes, we are under grace and as christians, we know our fates. but we cannot, nor are we expected to, carry the weight of our nation on our shoulders.

there will always be punishment or curses for those who poke the Lord in the pupil of His eye. He changes not.

condi and w come from churches who either are desirous of divesting from israel or lean toward the replacement theology.

Read the prophets of the tanach (old Testament) Almost all of them called for or warned of G_D’s Judgment upon Nations. Mostly upon Israel, when judgment came, mostly through Babylon or Assyria, the judgment was extreme and over the top (Assyria invented crucifixion and the “art” of flaying people alive). When G_d was finished using these nations to punish Israel, His Judgment upon both Babylon and Assyria was very severe, utter destruction of their empires and peoples.

While grace and truth came through the Messiah, it came to individuals who accepted Him. Individuals not Nations, far too many view the United States as a Christian Nation. Would a Christian Nation sacrifice their unborn through Abortion for convenience, would they try to alter the natural order that G_D gave them through genetic engineering, would they allow the lusts of perversion to take over the schools and work places to attain political correctness? I could go on and on.

No one who claims to be born again (and there are many), can continue time and time again, to act and live out of G_d’s principals in a state of ungodliness, and say they have the freedom to do so through grace.

While the Rabbis who wrote the letter are not born again and therefore know not the grace and truth of Yeshua. We as a Nation and our leaders should take heed to their warning. Bush and Rice should take this seriously, both profess to be born again, but are being influenced by their replacement theology beliefs, and the State Department’s pro-Arab influence.

G-D will not be mocked, those who live ungodly lives and are disobedient will be judged. Nations who force the division of G_D’s land will be judged. The economic disaster affecting this country, the “Natural Disasters” that have and will occur are just the start of much worse to come. Forcing this roadmap to nowhere but their own destruction, upon Israel will indeed bring grave consequences upon not only this country but all who unite against Israel.

Bill Koenig’s Book Eye to Eye shows that when the United States puts pressure on Israel to make concessions, that some disaster to The U.S. follows within days. Usually hurting us where we place our values economically.

One thing that would serve us well, eliminate the national day of prayer and replace it with a national day of repentance!

In Messiah
Remnant

For those who did not understand my question, what I am asking is why would we (the USA), specially the believers, be under the curse of judgement as a consequence for the decisions of our leaders over the land of Israel.

I understand we as individuals are redeemed by faith in Christ and we receive forgiveness of our sins individually – “time of grace”. The approach by the rabbis -who do not count on the redemptive grace thru Christ- seems to be based on the old testament (an eye for an eye) and I just wondered if it applies to us.

I know that cities like Sodom and Gomorah were judge in the old testament, but I also know that God’s mercy spared the ones that trusted in Him even then.

In the parable of the field the farmer tells his workers to let the wheat and the weeds grow together to be separated at the end of the harvest, one for redemption and the others for judgement.

I can see clear as day how calamity has overwhelmed this nation, but it also relates to the end times and how things are progressively more caotic all over the world.

I have read you answers carefully, interstingly you all seem to agree to this judgement. I will check out your references and try to keep an open ear to the Spirit to help me understand.

Thanks again,
Aneriz

i’m not sure i understand your question… no one (individual) is “calling” judgement over a nation, but surely God judges the nations (israel, egypt), and cities (sodom, gomorrah)… indeed, God judged the whole world with a flood… the bible is replete with examples of God’s judgement… and who would know this better than a group of rabbis… i think the rabbis are warning us (america) much like jonah warned ninevah…

have you ever read the book “eye to eye” by william koenig?… in this book, koenig explores the consequences of dividing israel… koenig documents catastrophic events that happened simultaneously with presidential/governmental statements of intention and decisions about dividing the land of israel… FAR TOO MANY to be mere coincidence… i have the 2006 edition of the book which outlines 57 major events, ending with hurricane wilma in october 2005… but since then, there have been MANY more events in the last 2 years… and koenig has included updates of these on his website… there is definitely a pattern that shows that God does NOT like people messing with HIS land…

i shutter to think of the possibility of what might happen on november 27th, the date of the annapolis summit…

yes, we are in the “age of grace”, but nations don’t get born-again, nations are not cast into the fiery lake, etc… nations cannot be dealt with (and judged) the same way individuals are judged (i.e. by their faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior from sin)… but does that mean that nations are not judged at all?… no, it does not… we know that is not the case because of the many, many bible references to the judgement of the nations…

i believe that the warning of these rabbis is right on target… i just wish that our leaders would heed the warning…

shalom,
jen-o