Huckabee Questions Mormons’ Belief
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Posted by John under: Gospel Preached in All the World
WASHINGTON (AP) – Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, “Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?”
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
—Mat 24:14
The article, to be published in Sunday’s New York Times Magazine, says Huckabee asked the question after saying he believes Mormonism is a religion but doesn’t know much about it. His rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is a member of the Mormon church, which is known officially as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.
A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee’s question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.
“We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all,” said the spokeswoman, Kim Farah. “That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for.”
Romney spokesman Kevin Madden said Romney will not debate candidates on their faith or question their faith.
“For those who want to know how Governor Romney’s faith informs his values, they can look at how he lives his life and how he has raised his family,” Madden said.
Earlier this month in Iowa, Huckabee wouldn’t say whether he thought Mormonism—rival Romney’s religion—was a cult.
“I’m just not going to go off into evaluating other people’s doctrines and faiths. I think that is absolutely not a role for a president,” the former Arkansas governor said.
While he said he respects “anybody who practices his faith,” Huckabee said that what other people believe—he named Republican rivals Romney, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton—”is theirs to explain, not mine, and I’m not going to.”
He also resisted wading into theology when pressed to explain why some evangelicals don’t view the Mormon faith as a Christian denomination.
Kendall Schnieder says Comment posted on December 12th, 2007
I pray that God will Bless Mike Huckabee with all wisdom and discernment and that Christians will pray for him during this time of secular attack. He is a breath of fresh air in this period of political division.
Apollo says Comment posted on December 12th, 2007
Huckabee told reporters last week he didn’t watch Romney’s highly anticipated speech on his faith. But he argued that he has been confronted with questions about his faith more than Romney has and that he also would make a “God speech” if given the airtime.
“I get all of the God questions at the debates, so you know when people say, ‘Oh, he had to make a speech,’ I’m thinking, ‘Hey you know what? If you’ll give me national television time, I’ll make you a God speech, and I’ll tell you what I’ll do, I’ll throw in an offering and an altar call to throw in with it.’ AMEN!!!
jen-o says Comment posted on December 13th, 2007
heheheh…
i like that huckabee fellow…
i wish someone would give him airtime to make a “God speech”… i’ll bet he would throw in an altar call…
Linda says Comment posted on December 13th, 2007
RE: ‘ “For those who want to know how Governor Romney’s faith informs his values, they can look at how he lives his life and how he has raised his family,†Madden said.’
We can look at how doctors live their lives & how they raise their families & then, all of a sudden, we recently heard the little chant…”those who have healed you, will kill you”.
It is NOT how you lead your life, it’s not about doing charitable things, it’s not about finding a cure, it’s not about creating peace in the middle east…
It IS about accepting Jesus Christ into your life as your LORD & Savior & believing it when HE said “It is finished!”….& not that Joseph Smith had to add anything else to what our LORD accomplished on the cross.
HE left HIS throne in heaven to come here for the purpose to die to pay for our sins so we could ALL have our relationship with the Almighty G-D of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob restored & become joint heirs with HIM to the Kingdom of G-D….(if it wasn’t necessary, HE wouldn’t have gone through all that suffering & dying).
So, come on all you who are fighting taking that first step to Glory…like the commercial says…”just do it”. Just say “Jesus, I accept YOU as my Savior & I invite you into my life.”
Linda says Comment posted on January 02nd, 2008
FYI:
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/huckabee_letters/2008/01/02/61273.html?s=al&promo_code=422F-1
Wednesday, January 2, 2008 8:00 PM
DES MOINES, Iowa — Iowa pastors who support Republican Mike Huckabee for president have received letters warning them that getting involved in politics could endanger the tax-exempt status of their churches.
Several pastors who have publicly backed Huckabee, a Southern Baptist minister who has support from many evangelicals, said they have received the letters, which have no return address. They have arrived in the weeks leading to Thursday’s precinct caucuses. . .
Remnant says Comment posted on January 04th, 2008
Huckabee the huckster hack
huckster: 1 : hawker peddler 2 : one who produces promotional material for commercial clients especially for radio or television Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Some american christians seem to have reached the politically correct Ideals so despised by the self serving conservatives. We now call a lie a “misrepresentation†one who lies as one who “Misrepresents†themselves. Jesus said in â€John 8:44 “John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.â€
For you Huckabee supporters out there before you start screaming foul, please read The following:
#1. Huckabee’s theology degree? Now says ain’t necessarily so Campaign admits candidate doesn’t have claimed religious credential
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59222
WORLDNETDAILY – December 14, 2007
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told the Christian Broadcasting Network he had a theology degree, he told voters in Iowa he had a theology degree, he repeated the claim in last month’s CNN YouTube debate — but, his campaign now says, it was not true.
Huckabee’s claim began unraveling following his offhanded comment about Mormonism in a New York Times interview last weekend.
Reporter Zev Chafets wrote: “I asked Huckabee, who describes himself as the only Republican candidate with a degree in theology, if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. ‘I think it’s a religion,’ he said. ‘I really don’t know much about it.’
“I was about to jot down this piece of boilerplate when Huckabee surprised me with a question of his own: ‘Don’t Mormons,’ he asked in an innocent voice, ‘believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?’”
In the interview, Huckabee’s account of his education made no mention of his having earned a theology degree.
Chafets wrote: “If young Mike Huckabee was ever rebellious or difficult, there’s no record of it. He preached his first sermon as a teenager, married his high-school sweetheart and went off to Ouachita Baptist University in Arkadelphia. There he majored in speech and communications, worked at a radio station and earned his B.A. in a little more than two years. He spent a year at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Tex., before dropping out to work for the televangelist James
Robison, who bought him his first decent wardrobe and showed him how to use television.”
While Huckabee apologized personally to fellow candidate and Mormon Mitt Romney for his remarks, Chafets’ characterization of the former Arkansas governor and ordained Baptist pastor as a seminary dropout who did not seem well-versed in comparative religion, drew the attention of political bloggers.
As a follow up to this:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTdmMWE3MjhjZTgyM2RhYzFmMWRiMzY2MThjZTMxZWY=
Uh, The Alternative Explanation Isn’t Much Better For Huck
Team Huckabee appears to object to my declaration, “I’m going to call horsepuckey on Huckabee’s claim that a New York Times reporter knew more about comparative religions than guy with a theology degree.”
Joe Carter, the director of research for Mike Huckabee, wrote in:
Jim,
Governor Huckabee doesn’t have a theology degree. He only spent a year in seminary.
Also, it’s not surprising that he doesn’t know much about the specific beliefs of the LDS church. There aren’t a lot of LDS members in Arkansas; they comprise just .007 percent of the population (about 20,000 out of 2,810,872 people). Most Southern evangelicals don’t have much exposure to that particular religion. Even in seminary you’re not likely to study the LDS faith unless you take a class on apologetics.
-Joe
I told Carter that I had gotten the crazy idea that Huckabee had a theology degree from his statements like, “I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree.” And press accounts like:
I asked Huckabee, who describes himself as the only Republican candidate with a degree in theology, if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. ‘‘I think it’s a religion,’’ he said. ‘‘I really don’t know much about it.’’
Carter responded, “Good point. To me, a degree in theology requires a degree from a seminary. What the Governor has is a BA in Biblical Studies. Technically, that can be considered a “theology degree.†But its probably not what most people think of when they hear that term.”
In addition, more than one reader notes that reporter Zev Chafets often writes about religion, and may indeed know more about other religions than Huckabee does.
In light of this, I am persuaded; I am persuaded that Mike Huckabee genuinely didn’t know whether Mormons believed that Jesus and Satan were brothers, and that he believed the right time to take a harder look at these reports of strange beliefs among Mormons was when he was speaking on the record to a New York Times reporter.
UPDATE: And as several readers point out, the percentage of Arkansans who are Mormon is .7 percent, not .007 percent.
Also:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2007/12/019282.php
He’s not a doctor of theology, he just plays one on tv
In a post-debate interview with CBN News last month, Mike Huckabee claimed that he is uniquely qualified to lead the war on terror because he has a theology degree. Huckabee said:
I’m as strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I’m stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It’s a theocratic war. And I don’t know if anybody fully understands that. I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well.
The notion that a theology degree constitutes a special qualification for fighting the war on terror is only marginally more coherent than Huckabee’s joke in which he substitutes a night at the Holiday Inn Express for foreign policy experience. Moreover, Huckabee’s comparison of Iran to a wayward family member in need of dialogue and respect tends to undercut his claim that he possesses special insight into the theocratic nature of the war on terror.
But now Huckabee is denying that he has a theology degree. His staff corrected Jim Geraghty, who understandably thought Huckabee had such a degree. The Huckabee campaign stated: “Governor Huckabee doesn’t have a theology degree. He only spent a year in seminary.â€
Geraghty had cited Huckabee’s alleged theology degree to question Huckabee’s suggestion that he was outgunned in terms of knowledge about comparative religion by the New York Times reporter with whom he discussed Mormonism. Now that it no longer seemed in Huckabee’s interest to have the theology degree, the campaign revealed that he lacks one.
In any case, Huckabee’s background as a student of religion — whatever its scope — seems more relevant to his ability to hold his own in a discussion of religion with the New York Times than to his ability to conduct foreign policy.
Speaking in Iowa in October, Huckabee told a sympathetic crowd
“Anytime you have been a person who was identified as a pastor and you’ve got a seminary education and theology degree, people tend to worry about you.”
http://thehill.com/byron-york/values-voters-love-reverend-mike-2007-10-26.html
In November, while appearing on the Christian Broadcasting Network, Huckabee said “People look at my record and say that I’m as strong on immigration, strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I’m stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It’s a theocratic war. And I don’t know if anybody fully understands that. I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well. And know the threat of it is absolutely overwhelming to us.”
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/266712.aspx
Since when is voting for the lesser of two evils, acceptable to anyone but a christian by name only individual.
Evil is evil and a liar is a liar.
Huckabee needs to be kept out of the pulpit untill he publicly repents, he needs to stay out politics and sell used cars. It seems there are plenty of christians who would by one from him.
2Th. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
After Bush, Don’t be fooled again
In Messiah
Remnant
Joy B. says Comment posted on January 07th, 2008
Remnant,
Exactly my thoughts on Huckabee. I have continued to remind myself Bush was suppose to be a Christian, too.
But sadly, Bush continues to fool many Christians.
“Certain men have crept in”.
Lance Gilman says Comment posted on January 09th, 2008
Whether or not these men are believers I don’t know for certain.
The Romans 10:9 acid test tells me they are.
Anyways what I think is obvious is how God is allowing these things to bring about “a strong delusion” in the last days, the one that will lead many astray.
Pastor Mark says Comment posted on January 09th, 2008
I have researched Gov Mike Huckabee and he is a someone we can be proud of. His support of a marriage amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman only, and his support of Life has not wavered. His track record in Arkansas is one of an effective leader and defender of the Christian values this country was founded on. I believe God has raised up a man that will serve Him and the Nation faithfully in the troubled times that are ahead of us. I urge you to check him out for yourself and prayerfully consider your choice in the upcoming election. From what I saw of him in Iowa, he is a good man.
Pastor Mark
Kendall Schnieder says Comment posted on January 10th, 2008
I am NOT, at this point in the election process declaring Mike Huckabee the Republican candidate, however, after reading posts on several Christian web sites, that are commenting on Huckabees qualifications, and after talking personally to many Christians about Huckabee, I have a very disturbing observation. The Old Testament, the Tanach, was replete with prophecies of the coming Messiah, but when He came, the religious leaders 2,000 years ago DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIM. Today we have Christians praying to God to raise up a ‘Christian’ leader to bring back Christian and moral values to America. But when one stands for the ‘values’ of Christianity, he is blasted because he isn’t politically correct.
God did NOT say ‘I will heal their land if they elect the right person’. God said “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” God works in ways that are above our ways and His ways are ALWAYS right. However, if we (His people) rant long enough, He will give us what [we] want, and it is [we] who will suffer the consequences. Are [we] close enough to God to recognize God’s provision when He supplies it?
Remnant says Comment posted on January 10th, 2008
While I do not deny that Huckabee has taken some positions appealing to may christians, his opposition to Gay Marriage, he has also stated “he was open to civil unionsâ€. He’s since denied he ever intended such apostasy, but the comment is on tape.
His support of life, Though Huckabee doesn’t support embryonic stem cell research, he took a hefty honorarium and bulk book sales this year from a diabetes drug maker, Novo Nordisk, which performs embryonic stem cell research. He has lied when there’s been no other way around admitting embarrassing missteps.
[Max Brantley in the Arkansas Times]
His track record in Arkansas is one of an effective leader that left Arkansas with a bill of more than $40 million for overcharges of the federal government’s Medicaid program.
After he became governor in 1996, he raked in tens of thousands of dollars in gifts, including gifts from people he later appointed to prestigious state commissions.
In the governor’s office, his grasp never exceeded his reach. Furniture he’d received to doll up his office was carted out with him when he left, after he’d crushed computer hard drives so nobody could ever get a peek behind the curtain of the Huckabee administration. [Max Brantley in the Arkansas Times]
As a “defender†of Christian values, He over the angry objection of the church lobby, he sped final action on a bill to allow video poker at the state’s racetracks, an act followed not long afterward by a $10,000 campaign contribution from the owner of the state’s biggest race track, at Oaklawn Park in Hot Springs. [Max Brantley in the Arkansas Times]
“National media folks like David Brooks [of the New York Times], dealing in surface appearances only, rave about what a nice guy Huckabee is, and a moral exemplar to boot. If they only did a little homework, they would discover a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak, and a long history of imbroglios about questionable ethics.”
[Quin Hillyer The American Spectator]
His advocacy of freedom for a convicted rapist. To this day, Huckabee tries to minimize his responsibility for DuMond’s release. Huckabee’s 2007 book “From Hope to Higher Ground” also fudges the facts, implying that DuMond died before being convicted of either Missouri murder. In one recent interview, he even suggested that he had fought DuMond’s parole, a statement his own writings prove to be a lie.
Huckabee seems to love loot and has a dismissive attitude toward ethics, campaign finance rules and propriety in general.
In December 26, 2007 the conservative organization Judicial Watch announced that Mike Huckabee was named to its list of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007. They state that Huckabee, as governor, was the subject of “14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.”
Judicial Watch further accused Huckabee of attempting to block the state ethics commission’s investigations of the allegations. [Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians†for 2007]
This is a man who intends to meddle in the affairs of nations around the world like you can’t believe. Talk about entangling alliances: Huckabee intends for our State, Energy, Housing, Education, Justice, Treasury, and Transportation departments to spend untold billions of tax dollars on just about anything and everything, including schools, medical facilities, roads, sewage treatment, water filtration, electricity, and legal and banking systems in countries all over the globe. And that is exactly the kind of man the Council on Foreign Relations wants in Washington.” [Chuck Baldwin Founder and Pastor of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida.]
I would ask you to prayerfully consider if G_D would raise up a liar as His choice in the upcoming election.
Is he a good man? Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
I have researched Gov. Mike Huckabee and he is a someone we can be proud of, avoiding like the plague! 2Th. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Evil is evil and a liar is still a liar!
I urge you to check him out for yourself, you will find that he is George W. Bush on steroids!
In Messsiah
Remnant
Tupor says Comment posted on January 11th, 2008
You can’t know anyone’s heart. With that, I’ll vote for whoever is most likely to promote my Christian values. There are some definitive “show-stoppers” such as promoting abortion as birth control. Whatever a person says should be weighed for sure, but vitiong records are public, so what a person has actually done I think is most important.
As for the few pennies a church saves buying hymnals on a tax-exempt basis, I say simply TO HELL with the pennies saved. Righteous exchanged for a discount while shopping? Are you kidding me? It’s past time for the fat-baby churches of the U.S. to abandon their pennies and SPEAK on what is right in the Lord’s eyes.
Tupor says Comment posted on January 11th, 2008
That’s *voting records, and *Righteousness exchanged. Thanks.
Remnant says Comment posted on January 13th, 2008
Is Huckabee also among the prophets?
Several thousand years ago G_D’s people demanded a king, they just couldn’t live without one, all their neighbors had one, they felt underprivileged because they were not like their neighbors. They did not have a king to protect them, to stand up for THEIR Christian Values, They did have Judges, they had a seer “(Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to enquire of G_D, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)â€
Most Importantly they had a G_D!
However they went to the seer and said “give us a king to judge usâ€, “we will have a king over us;†“That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.†There was “a choice young man, and a goodly: and there was not among the children of Israel a goodlier person than he: from his shoulders and upward he was higher than any of the people.†He had the right stuff! “And all the people shouted, and said, G_D save the king.â€
That man was Saul ( They seemed to believe he was a good man)
1Sam. 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
1Sam. 8:8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
1Sam. 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.
1Sam. 8:10 And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
1Sam. 8:11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
1Sam. 8:12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
1Sam. 8:13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
1Sam. 8:14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
1Sam. 8:15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
1Sam. 8:16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
1Sam. 8:17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
1Sam. 8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
They had rejected G_D as their King and wanted an earthly king like the heathen nations. Let us take care that we do not reject King Jesus for some charismatic president, statesman, Rabbi, or Pastor!
As a former political junkie I remember the body of Christ, tripping over themselves to vote for born again Jimmy Carter, ( a major disaster) and then born again G.W. Bush who with born again Conjob Rice (both at present selling G_D’s people down the river,).
The great thing about being terminal, (The Dr.s have assured me that I’m on my last year. I keep telling them G_D has given me a given number of breaths, and that I’ll die right on time.) is that I won’t have to see the result of this election, when the peoples choice turns out to be another disappointment.
Make sure your christian values are Christ’s values! it’s interesting how often our Born Again former presidents values differed from His.
Just pray you don’t elect another Hack-Saul to build your “Kingdom Nowâ€.
In Messiah
Remnant
Linda says Comment posted on January 14th, 2008
Remnant,
You’re absolutely correct, Almight G-D has given you that certain number of breaths & you’re not going anywhere until HE says so.
Anyways, I was kinda banking on all of us who post on ITD’s to all go together (with our families, of course!) in the Rapture.
Keep giving the devil heck by continuing to share with all of us here on ITD’s,
we appreciate your wisdom.
G-D’s blessings,
Linda
Linda says Comment posted on January 14th, 2008
Editor,
Please stick a “y” in my first line for “Almighty”
Thankyou,
Linda
Leslie says Comment posted on March 09th, 2008
I have to disagree with what the LDS said regarding Jesus and Satan being brothers. Not too long ago, I had the opportunity to witness to a Mormon believer. We spoke on the telephone many times and eventually met for lunch a few times. During our LAST meal together, I found that it was time to ask her what our “differences” were as far as our belief system. I am a Baptist Christian. I started the conversation and before I got a good full sentence out, she jumped at the opportunity to tell me about all the things that I didn’t “know” yet. Things that I would be “blessed” to learn if I would only read the Book of Mormon. In that conversation, she asked me if I knew that Jesus and Satan were both in heaven at the same time and that actually, we all were before we came down to do our “works”. She equated all of us, Jesus and Satan as brothers (and sisters). Satan, just happened to be cast down to earth for some reason (I lost all interest in listening after hearing that first line). She went on to talk about some “macaroni” (Maroni) or something like that and just beamed with all this nonsense that sounded so absurd to me that I really lost my appetite and my desire to be there with her anymore. I lost that battle…it was an excellent opportunity to witness to someone who seemed so lost. Her words, though, were quite literally making me ill.
I think that Mike Huckabee was simply asking a question that he had “heard” just as I have to say that I’ve “heard” the same.
LDS is extraordinarily secretive about it’s doctrine. Why?
The Truth says Comment posted on November 02nd, 2008
We all cast judgement but forget the bible…”He who is without sin may cast the first stone.”